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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 15:15:23 GMT
Let's say I have a player on my minor league roster. That player is called up to the majors in September and does not get to the AB or IP needed to surpass his rookie eligibility. If I call that player up in September to my active roster, can I then demote him again that next offseason?
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Post by Phillies (Rook) on Jan 24, 2020 15:26:59 GMT
Once called up he can not be returned to Prospect status. As soon as he is added to your active 26 man roster, he gets a salary. It’s best to wait until the called up Prospect is worthy of that call up Many prospects get called up in September for a look. I personally would not sign that player to a contract for just the one month. When a player gets called up in MLB, that does not mean you have call him up.
A player can remain as a prospect for as long as you want during the season.. Even if he starts and gets 400 at bats. The next season, he must either be added to your active roster or be released.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 16:16:08 GMT
That makes sense. In the league rules in the section "MLB Contracts" and again in the "Prospect Contracts" section it mentions demotions, but I couldn't find any information about how demotions work. Did I just miss that? I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. If not can you explain how demotions work?
Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 16:34:57 GMT
Not saying this is how we should do it, but in my other leagues if you choose to call-up a prospect before he hits our minimum ABs/IP, you still have the option to demote him (as long as he remains under the min. ABs/IP). But if you do call-up a guy, his service time begins (the amount of years to which you assign his contract) and his salary still counts against your cap even if he's on your MiLB roster. The positive, of course, is you don't have to utilize a roster spot for a guy who may no longer be on a real-life MLB roster.
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Post by Phillies (Rook) on Jan 24, 2020 17:33:35 GMT
Many different rules in many different leagues.....makes the world fun.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 17:47:49 GMT
This may be why NA is important... although I don't like the idea of keeping players that are above the limit as a prospect. I believe once they pass the thresholds (130 AB/50 IP), then the owner has a set amount of time to call him up; otherwise they go to waivers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 18:13:29 GMT
Phillies (Rook)I think my question above was missed. What is a "demotion"? It's mentioned all over the rules, but it is never spelled out how that works. That makes sense. In the league rules in the section "MLB Contracts" and again in the "Prospect Contracts" section it mentions demotions, but I couldn't find any information about how demotions work. Did I just miss that? I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. If not can you explain how demotions work? Thanks!
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Post by Phillies (Rook) on Jan 24, 2020 18:37:05 GMT
Alan quoted, “I think my question above was missed.What is a "demotion"? It's mentioned all over the rules, but it is never spelled out how that works.”
I don’t understand what verbiage you are questioning in the rules? Perhaps paste and copy from the rules and put on a reply so I can answer directly.
Jim, the limits this league uses are mentioned earlier in my reply. We all like different rules, I get that. This league is modeled and copied exactly like the other league I am in. It’s a very successful running 7 years, 20-20 managers are fully engaged. Just looked it up. There are exactly. 82 , trades since December 15.
I am attempting to create that same energy, participation and fun here. Bottom line, we talk about the rules here to explain them, but they aren’t changing. I am not tweaking what works perfectly. There are also managers in this league that belong to that league. I want us to be able to go back and forth in both leagues without remembering all the rule differences.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 19:40:52 GMT
My Question is simple: What is a demotion and how does it work?
In the League Rules it states
MLB Contracts
- All teams must remain at or under the 26 man MLB roster limit at all times. If you make a trade that puts you over roster limit, you must make a corresponding move at the same time(waivers/buyout/demotion, etc) to remain at the 26 roster limit.
Also in the header for the "Roster Moves" folder it states:
Roster Moves. ***no waiver posts here**
Post all promotions, demotions, DL, & NA transactions here. Post on your team thread with updates to your 26 man roster
Nowhere else in the League Rules does it mention anything about demotions or how they work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 20:03:55 GMT
Jim, the limits this league uses are mentioned earlier in my reply. We all like different rules, I get that. This league is modeled and copied exactly like the other league I am in. It’s a very successful running 7 years, 20-20 managers are fully engaged. Just looked it up. There are exactly. 82 , trades since December 15. So what happens when say, Royce Lewis is raking by August and still sitting there on the wire? The original owner should feel obligated to pull him up. Just saying I've run into trouble in leagues that don't have forced callups within a specific time frame.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 20:21:37 GMT
I'm not worried about this. There is a salary cap incentive for every team to do as well as possible and put their best players in their roster. If a player is crushing it, especially in August when he will obviously acquire enough AB's to go over his rookie eligibility, the team has every incentive to call him up and not leave him in the minors. That's why I had my question about demotions, because the only reason I can see that a player wouldn't get called up is that he doesn't get enough time to go over his rookie limit.
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Post by Phillies (Rook) on Jan 24, 2020 22:20:41 GMT
Let’s say Royce Lewis gets called up in August/ September and begins to crush it. Should I call him up, the manager says.........
1) Calling him up means having to waive, trade, or buyout a contract. (If you are at full roster capacity). 2) If I bring him up for a month or two, is it worth wasting his first year salary for two months.. Remember Kris Bryant as a Rookie.....Cubs kept him in the Minors for 20 days or so to get an extra year of control over him. Same principal here. 3) will his production move me up in the standings....each standing position nets an extra $2 cap for next year.. Factor that in. 4) Its Roto rules...weekly category matchups don’t matter.
It’s the managers decision.
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Post by Phillies (Rook) on Jan 24, 2020 22:37:42 GMT
I think the term demoted could be interchanged with drop. I am not going over this rule/concept at all until the season starts. Please read and re-read several times. Imagine you start the year with 10 players on the DL/IR/N/A. I did once in that league. Below is how we deal with that. Here you will see how the words demoted/dropped is explained.
26 man salary cap roster and discussion: Your legal salary cap roster could swell to almost 40 players - Each season (date to be determined) every team needs to get their roster down to 26 contracted players. Additional players over the 26 limit can be kept if some players are on official n/a or on the DL. We want every team to have 26 active contracted players at all times, if cap allows. We have players on DL (Yahoo limit is 5) at the same time. If there are more then 5 players on the DL, you may drop excessive DL players (over 5) from your Yahoo roster and replace them with free agents, if cap allows. Keep in mind that dropped DL players are still under contract and may not be bid on by any other team. Also keep in mind, when these players return to active duty, it is your responsibility to add these players to your roster instead of bidding on new free agents, regardless of their positions. It is up to each manager to operate within the rules. If a manager violates this rule, a $2 cap penalty will be charged for each violation. I have seen up to 10 players on the DL at one time along with several players on n/a. Because of this, it is possible to have 30 to 40 contracted players at one time. This is legal.
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